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Witch ward-off? Archaeology find from national geographic

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Oct. 29th, 2009 | 08:31 pm
posted by: lucy_chronicles in druidry

http://feeds.nationalgeographic.com/click.phdo?i=6b9276be3de00d7d56ff50050a29c51e

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/rss/article_id.pl?id=57403373
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In time for Halloween, archaeologists have unearthed a witch bottle—a stone jug that may have contained toenails, hair, and other bodily bits to deter witches and other evildoers.
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how do they know it was a 'witch' and why is it 'evil' instead of a shaman, doctors or other healers? geesh...


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trip_tych

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from: trip_tych
date: Oct. 30th, 2009 05:05 am (UTC)
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Well probably because there weren't really any shaman in Europe in the 17th century, doctors had better medicine than this and I'm looks like they are connecting it with previously unearthed witch bottles due to similarities. Up until recently, a witch *was* anti-social, an 'evildoer'.

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bohemianbanshee

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date: Oct. 30th, 2009 02:19 pm (UTC)
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"The 17th century was the tail end of the witch craze. Accused or suspected witches at that time were considered to be in league with the devil. They were not pagans, though they may have held onto some folk practices. It has nothing to do with modern witchcraft."

It certainly has very much to do with "modern witchcraft". It has little to do with Wicca, if that's what you're referring to. Wicca does not encompass the whole of modern witchcraft by far, nor are all modern practitioners Wiccan.

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bohemianbanshee

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from: bohemianbanshee
date: Oct. 31st, 2009 11:12 pm (UTC)
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"What I meant was that the accused were not witches in the modern sense. They may have known some folk remedies, but that wasn't a necessary facet of an accusation. They were Christian, the same as their accusers, not followers of any 'old religion.' They were scapegoats for various reasons."

Yes, I agree with that.

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trip_tych

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from: trip_tych
date: Oct. 30th, 2009 03:47 pm (UTC)
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Ok, Western Europe.

The 17th century was when they began better understanding human anatomy, the way blood circulates through the body, experimenting with vitamins, and discovered that meat does not spontaneously generate flies. Granted, they still used leeches, relied on the ideas of the 4 humours and other really useless ideas but I disagree that witch bottles were the best medicine at the time.

Either way, there are plenty of good reasons for people to link such bottles with warding off the evil of witches.

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trip_tych

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from: trip_tych
date: Oct. 30th, 2009 05:14 pm (UTC)
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Nevermind, I read through the convo again and I get what you're saying regarding doctors, medicine and wise women. I responded to a point that I interpreted but was not stated, sorry.

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bohemianbanshee

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from: bohemianbanshee
date: Oct. 30th, 2009 02:13 pm (UTC)
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Very cool subject, but from the link I was able to access, there is really nothing in this discovery that points to this even being an actual "witch bottle". They found nothing inside it, just the bottle itself, and the article acknowledges that Protestants at one point were breaking bottles identical to this to protest Cardinal Roberto Bellarmine. The bottle itself is a German beer bottle.

So.....they've dug up an old beer bottle and are trying to romanticize it, imo. It may or may not have been bought by a Protestant.

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